AKSpraya XDTalk 2K Member. The serial numbe on the frame (grip area) is the same 6 numbers and has an S or a 5 stamped at the end of the numbers but looks like it is not contiguous with the serial.perhaps done after mfg? The other side of the slide has the Carl Walther Stamp and then Waffenfabrik and it looks like Um / Da (sorry.
Just spent an interesting hour talking with a nice old WWII USAAF vet who flew P-47s in Italy and then France after D-day. He brought back a number of war souvenirs, one of which was a Walther PPK. I don't have a photo, but it's in about 95% condition, high polish blue, with brown Walther banner plastic stocks. The only magazine has a finger rest, also brown plastic. The slide reflects Zella Mehlis manufacture.
It has a small proof on the left side of the slide - not having a magnifying glass, I could not make it out clearly, but I recall no number under the eagle, so it's not a waffenamt. I think this is a commercial gun. The serial number is 285930, no suffix. We've got a lot of knowledgeable folks on the board - can anyone tell me the year of manufacture?
I'm estimating 1940, but I cannot glean much info of the internet. I understand Hoffschmidt's Know your Walther PPK book has a serial number chart, but I don't happen to have one. Can anyone help me help this member of the greatest generation? Thanks, John (Added 10/21/14) See pictures on post #4! Ser# 285,xxx on a Walther PPK (ZellaMellis) should have a 'K' suffix to the number on the frame. The matching ser# marked on the right side of the slide was generally with-out the suffix.
Walther PPk Variations. Reichsbank POLICE ACCEPTED. E/C'rig' SS CONTRACT. 2nd Variation Muzzle Serial Number poor condition. 4th Variation 'rig' Walther PP Variations. MILITARY ACCEPTED. Third Variation serial number range 216305p-234705p (13,000 produced) Fourth Variation serial number range 235879p-368800p (66,000 produced) POLICE. The series includes the Walther PP, PPK, PPK/S, and PPK/E models. The Walther TPH pocket pistol is a smaller calibre pistol introduced in 1971 identical in handling and operation to the PPK. Various PP series are manufactured in Germany, France and the United States. Post-war P38 serial number versus date production chart This information is taken only from original, serial number matching pistols. Serial Number Caliber Slide Legend Date Date Location Commercial (E/N)? 001xxx 9x19mm P38 5/57 Slide No 016xxxE 9x19mm P38 62 Frame Yes 165xxx 9x19mm P38 2/ 62 Slide No. However, 1943 models ranged from 1 to 9999n. Mauser and Spreewerke P38s changed their system from year to year, with each year being unique. To identify P38 serial numbers, reference a P38 serial number listing, such as the one found on the Ole' Army Joel site. Zero models run from 01-013000, with the Walther banner.
Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929) PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model. When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK. (A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there. I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack.
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But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix,1940 or 41 would be a good guess. The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.
Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof. 4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.
That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any perfect order. Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue. A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area. May also be on the slide, on the right side usually. Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.
Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol. On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag. Not a lot of hard and fast rules however! I'll see if I can find that list. (I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it.
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I'll check it anyway) Added. I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it. It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K) Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate. Hope this helps. Today I got to re-visit the old WWII vet, and he graciously allowed me to photograph his Walther PPK, which I now estimate as having been made in early July, 1940.
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The serial number does indeed have the 'K' suffix, which I missed in my early examination under dim light. It also shows commercial 'Eagle over N' proof marks.
There was no serial number anywhere on the magazine. Here are some pics: And here's a picture of the old gent himself, posing with a model of a P-47 complete with his old squadron colors, and his PPK. It was an honor and a privilege to talk with him; the WWII combat vets have been my heroes since childhood. Hope you enjoy the pictures.
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There is no way to say for sure, but my guess (as well as others) is that production for the Walther PPK stopped in late 1944. I can't say for sure that there were NO PPK's made in 45, but I can say there is no evidence of full production. Ron Clarin has documented what the GI's found in the factory when they took over in 1945. You will see photos with racks of PP's and crates of P.38's, but NOT a bunch of unfinished PPK's. Random frames and slides, yes. Spare parts? Yes. Enough to put together a few unnumbered PPK? I believe, yes. And I have seen such guns that I would guess were put together from leftover parts. But not like the thousands of Post war PP's and P38's that you can find. GI mismatch PP's and P38's are fairly common. But where are the GI mismatch PPK's?
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If you go to the last known serial numbers of a PP or AC45 you will find that they have NO proofs and they are mismatched guns. But if you go to the last 100 known PPK's, you will see that they all have all 3 proofs, and they have full slide legends. I know because I have the data, as do the others.
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You will find AC marked PP's, with NO legend and no proofs. Yet you do not find them among the PPKs. All have the full slide legend and the finish characteristics of a 1944 PPK.
Speaking of finish. Both the Walther PP and P38's in 1945 had phosphate small parts. Phosphate parts are NOT found on the late war PPK's And speaking of phosphate parts. PP and P38 mags had phosphate tubes. PP with a W on the reverse. Why do we not see phosphate PPK mags? And never a W on the reverse of a PPK magazine?
Consider this, for you P.38 gurus. Imagine 100 P.38's lined up in front of you, but all dates on them are hidden. Now you have to date them and line them up in order of production based solely on their finish. This is what we have to do for PP's and PPK's (Of course there are some exceptions with documented dates, but these are rare). I would bet many of you would be 'spot on' with dating. An early AC41 looks different than a later 41. Same with early and late 42's, etc. In the late war era, the machining and finish deteriorates even more. And in 1945 you see casting flaws in the metal. (Characteristic 'chunks' out of the metal on the front strap of an AC45). I have observed similar casting flaws in 1945 PP's. Not so, in PPK's. The PPK's remain uniform in production.
Previous collectors have always assumed PPK's and PP's were produced until April of 1945. But the finish characteristics, the slide legends and evidence from what was in the factory at the end of the war all point to the fact that they were NOT being produced when the GI's entered the factory in 1945. The PPK is unique from other Walther pistol production in this way. Windows 8.1 pro product keygen.